• Sara: Guild Bank

    Characters: Tesandra[85] Sevelyn[82] Elveria[81] Valediren[80] Eláviel[20]
    Created: 2008-09-02 17:43:34

    Okay so after last night's Murmur run I managed to sell a nice purple cloak pattern on the Auction House for 900g. I spent 500 of that on buying a third bank tab (the rest went into the guild bank kitty). However now I am not sure how to organise the bank tabs!

    Anyone got any suggestions? What did your old guilds put in bank tabs and how did they organise them? I have no experience of this.

    S
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    • Andy: Re: Guild Bank

      Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
      Created: 2008-09-02 18:23:41

      Yay new tab! GTK had one for special trade skill items (for example motes, primals, elemental essences, dusts and shards, leathers, spell/shadow/mooncloths) and only the top tier of the guild had access to this, anyone could deposit and if you wanted something out of the tab you could swap like for like (ie I'd put in 20 Arcane Dust for X Imbued Netherweave) by asking one of the guild member who could access it. Then there was a tab devoted to consumables (Pots, Herbs, food) and then one devoted to useful trash.
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    • Dodge: Re: Guild Bank

      Created: 2008-09-08 11:46:37

      One thing we need to avoid too much of is well meaning people filling the guild bank with random stuff that just *might* be handy, but everyone else being too polite to ever take stuff out. That way you end up with a guild bank looking like a random banking alt. Which isn't the way forward in my opinion. One restriction I'd put in is that no more then one stack of any single plain tradeskill item, like spider silk or linen cloth.

      At the moment I would suggest one tab "free for all", anyone can take stuff out of it as long as they're going to use it (and people should be encouraged to make use of these contents). Have one resticted tab, for trusted users. And maybe have one "super-secret" tab, for the most precious things, we're we'd put stuff to gear up main-tanks and the like. However we probably don't need the latter yet, or maybe ever (a simple restricted one might be enough).

      I've been struggling for my lunch break on how to put this next point across eloquently and clearly, but I'm probably going to waffle rather then provide food for thought. The guild bank can (should) reflect the guild. So it should reflect the guild philosiphy of mates helping each other out (bits and bobs to help people out with gearing and tradeskills). Any extra functionality beyond this depends on what the guild as an entity's role is in relation to the guild members. Do the guild members need to pay a tithe (however small) for using the services? In return how much should the guild help subsidise members (through consumables and gear) to aid in progression and guild events. We're only a few, and we're all nice and reasonable (even me!) so we don't need contracts in blood and agressive purchasing plans, just a idea of what we want from the guild and what it wants from us.

      However we roll, a "terms and conditions" of the guild bank should be stickied on the site, as well as some kind of vague (and it only needs to be vague) inventory.

      I'll end with a use case of what I personally think is great use of the guild bank:
      Dan the Alchy trolls the AH looking for cheap deals and notices some guy selling super mana potion materials at great prices. He buys a few stacks, churns out some pots, then sticks them in the guild bank consumable section, reinmbursing himself at cost from the guild funds. The next guild event each caster takes out a stack of the Mana Pots, reimbursing the guild funds some cash as they see fit, but probably less then what they would have had to pay for it.


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      • Carrot: Re: Re: Guild Bank

        Characters: Glorif[85] Heclan[73] Nathrezim[37] Cuchillo[23]
        Created: 2008-09-08 11:59:23

        Aye, I think that's a good idea RE how it would work and having a Ts and Cs on the forum. I know that i've noticed a fair bit of stuff being put in there where i've thought that a) It isn't really worth storing because people at that level tend to swap old/worse stuff for better stuff so quickly they don't even notice the in-between bit in the GB, and b) Won't sell on the AH for much the same reasons as a). I'm loath to take out something someone else has put in only to vendor it and put that meagre amount of cash into the GB though. I did try and do some GB AHing on my banking alt, but as I suspected stuff just didn't sell.

        As to an inventory, I think it's a newish feature but the WoW Armoury now gives you GB contents if you log in and have the privs in game on a toon. See here:

        http://armory.wow-europe.com/guild-bank-contents.xml?r=Bloodhoof&n=Quarter+To+Midnight

        It does barf a security exception at me in FF though, because someone made the cert for *.wowarmory.com, not armory.wow-europe.com.
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        • Andy: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
          Created: 2008-09-08 12:14:04

          Yeah the thing I've noticed is tab 2 fills with recipies and green equipment. Now personally I think keeping the recipies there is a good idea (who knows when an alt will come along that has been created for the express reason as to make blacksmithing items - for example). but do we really need all the greens? I don't think so.

          I'm going to put forward 3 suggestions realting to all the greens in the bank.

          1) I de them and sell the materials (probably for not a small profit) and return the gold to the GB. We could keep this rolling, anyone doesn't want a green, they stick it in the GB I do a daily DE and sell the dust etc.

          2) I DE the items and keep the dust shards etc in the bank. My only problem with this idea is that there isn't really all that much use for low level dust unless you're levelling an enchanter.

          3) I do nothing and we have a GB filling up with greens no one uses.

          Now obviously there are some greens that might be useful (offhand maybe high level crafted greens) in which csae maybe sticking them in another tab might be an option, but in the end in my opinion if you put a green in the bank, you don't really care where it ends up as long as it helps the guild in general.
          "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

        • Andy: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
          Created: 2008-09-08 12:17:30

          Also the idea about option 2 is, if you put a green in the GB it'll automatically get DE'd then by keeping our shards and dusts together if one person needs some dust for something they can easily have access to it knowing that they have contributed to the stock by sticking their greens in there.

          Personally howevr I like to sell my dusts and shards for gold as I make around 50g per heavy questing day doing this.
          "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

        • Dodge: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Created: 2008-09-08 12:33:28

          I'd suggest a cross between 2 and 3, sell low level dust and essences, keep a (small to medium) supply of TBC enchanting materials. Have one box in one tab solely for the purpose of disenchanting crap for the sake of the guild coffers. If a person wants something sharded and wants to keep the output have people take it up with the enchanter personally (it'll save a lot of accounting headaches).

          However if by chance someone bimbles by the guild bank and notices something useful in the DE section for them then by all means they should nab it for their personal use.
          I really should be working....

        • Carrot: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Characters: Glorif[85] Heclan[73] Nathrezim[37] Cuchillo[23]
          Created: 2008-09-08 13:09:16

          I like that plan. We could put it in as part of the GB usage thingy. Tab 1 segments A and B are for greens that people want DEing for general guild usage, for eg.
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      • Peter: Re: Re: Guild Bank

        Characters: Rittal[85] Mieville[80] Terlan[80] Caltera[67] Dynia[67]
        Created: 2008-09-08 16:35:13

        I've been sat here for about 20 minutes trying to figure out how to best respond to this. The ethos of our guild as people have already said is that we are friends of friends, we are here to play and have fun. We are not here for serious raid progression or otherwise.

        I'm extremely warey of paying any form of tithe, membership fee, tax, etc for anything to do with the guild. I amongst others have put generous amounts of gold in the bank over time out of our own will and that has worked well so far, things like the first two bank tabs have been brought with it. Hell we have over 400 gold in there atm.

        We got the third tab off of a single boss drop which we sold and used the profit for good, rather then just splitting it between us. Now that being said if we suddenly need a lot of cash, I don't think it's unfair to ask for donations, but I can't think what the need would be.

        As for the content of the guild banks, yes a lot of the green's are useless to the majority of people, I'm looking at the tabs now and there's a lot of stuff in there. I'm a little weary that everything should immediately be disenchanted. I'm more inclined that everything should get to sit there for a week or two before being nuked.

        As we've said the amount the DE mats are worth is pretty low, and they'll only be used for leveling fairly low enchanting. Is it even worth storing them in the guild bank? Okay they stack a little more, but are they really worth that? At the end of the day, the amount of them would be limited anyway by one stack per mat anyway.

        A list of what's in the guild bank is easy to do and something that will be coming on the guild website anyway, it's one of the reasons that Sara and I have started a second joint account which isn't linked to our actual main accounts. As an account name and password needs to be located in the scripts.

        As for Terms and Conditions, that's defiantly not the right phrase, a Guild Charter would be more in line. If we do create one I don't think it should contain much more then how the guild bank is used, how the guild ranks work and general stuff like "Don't be a tit on WoW or the guild website."

        I am inclined to suggest that we use three tabs as follows:
        * Tab 1 - Profession Leveling Mats
        * Tab 2 - Guild Events and Instancing Materials (Potions, Consumables, etc.)
        * Tab 3 - Rare / Epic / Legendary Loot (Above level 65, Rare/Epic/Legendary)

        In both tabs 2 and 3 you should be expected to at some point put an amount of money back in for an item you remove. Perhaps only 50-75% of what the AH for that item would be (I could link the guild bank list on the website into wowecon.com if someone isn't using Auctioneer). Chances are we wont be buying AH stuff and putting it in GB unless it's uber cheap.

        However this brings up an interesting question of where the stuff comes from, at current at the end of an instance we are usually greeding on blues/purples that we don't need if they aren't BOP. If they are, they are DE'd and shards are shared or rolled on.

        I have to say I'm not sure that should be changing, it does cost money to run an instance. Should we perhaps consider putting the BOE's that get dropped in the GB unless someone wants them? And still DE'ing and rolling for the shards?

        I think there does need to be something going back to the people who have just spent an hour grinding through an instance, especially if it's a heroic and their repair costs are getting towards 30-40 gold.

        Now I like Dodge have turned into mostly rambling about stuff. I'm not opposed to us sorting out the guild bank so it's more useful, but let's not change the nature of what we are doing, ok?

        P.
        "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams

        • Dodge: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Created: 2008-09-09 07:57:47

          I don't like the idea of tithes or fees either, the guild coffers should be supplied by guild members out of the goodness of their cold black hearts. The simple bank layout works well (just need to wedge Reputation bits and bobs in there) and would last us a long time.

          Oh, and Guild Charter sounds so much nicer then Terms and Conditions! Not sure why I used that horrid phrase.
          I really should be working....

        • Peter: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Characters: Rittal[85] Mieville[80] Terlan[80] Caltera[67] Dynia[67]
          Created: 2008-09-09 08:13:02

          Probably subliminal, the guild website uses it when you sign up, but it was kinda just in there temporarily holder, its yet another way to stop robots also.

          Hmmm.... which one is rep bits, tab 3? It'll be the most empty?
          "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams

        • Dodge: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Created: 2008-09-09 08:50:28

          Tab 3 would probably be the best place for rep bits and bobs, as you said it's likely to be the most empty, sadly!

          Any other subliminal messages I should be (conciously) aware of? :-P
          I really should be working....

        • Peter: Re: Re: Re: Guild Bank

          Characters: Rittal[85] Mieville[80] Terlan[80] Caltera[67] Dynia[67]
          Created: 2008-09-09 09:43:42

          Hypnotoad says *Transfer large amounts of money to Peter*
          "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams