• Andy: A Group for Naxx

    Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
    Created: 2009-01-09 11:51:53 Edited: 2009-01-09 12:00:23

    A ten-man group for Naxx requires -

    2 tanks
    3 healers
    5 dps

    At the moment we have -

    2 lvl 80 tanks, a lvl 80 capable of tanking and a lvl 78 capable of tanking
    2 lvl 80 healers
    4 lvl 80 dps, a lvl 80 capable of dps, a lvl 80 dps currently transfering realm and a lvl 78 capable of dps

    No matter which way you look at it we have enough hybrid classes to fill out tanking and dps spots but we don't have enough healers.

    As the only other lvl 80 capable of healing I'm seriously considering filling our guilds much needed third healer spot. Te reason I'm bringing this up on the forum is to promote discussion.

    ~~

    At the moment I am the guild's best-geared/main tank. I enjoy tanking, I have had lots of practice tanking, but I really want to start Naxx. I'm realising that there isn't another healer on the horizon therefore we will have to wait until we find a healer or one of the lower level characters reaches the dizzy heights of 80.

    At the moment there is very little more gear I am looking for outside of Naxx and I think a number of other people are starting to reach the same stage, however I realise to be able to take a group into Naxx and not die on the first trash we need to wait for the other 80s to gear up to our level.

    This is where my thinking of collecting a healing set kicks in, whilst everyone else is gearing for Naxx I can start to collect a pre-Naxx resto set that should put us in good stand to go into Naxx.

    The main reason I'm posting is becuase I want people to be aware of the choice I'm making and the repurcussions it will have on the guild. We will need another person to come forward and state that they would like to tank. In addition to this I'm not ready to throw my hard earned tanking gear out of the window and I still wish (ultimately) to be a main tank. This means if feral tanking gear drops, I'm still going to be needing it, but probably more importantly if tree gear drops I'm going to be needing it alongside Mike. This isn't me saying, I don't want to tank anymore, this is me saying that until we have another dedicated healer to run Naxx with I am prepared to respec (potentially back and forth) to run Naxx once a week as is needed.


    What do others think? Does this sound like a good idea? Should we be waiting for another healer to show up/ wait for someone to level ~ personally I'd like to dip into Naxx sooner rather than later and at the moment this hanging around and not knowing where another healer is going to come from, is killing me.



    (Also I'm hoping this makes it onto the front page, I haven't tried publishing an article yet, hehe)

    Andy out
    "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

    • Andy: Re: A Group for Naxx

      Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
      Created: 2009-01-09 11:59:23

      Clarification -

      "Once a week" ~ I mean /if/ we were to run once a week, I realise in reality it may well be a lot less often than that.
      "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

    • Lee: Re: A Group for Naxx

      Characters: Craylor[85] Cryten[80]
      Created: 2009-01-09 12:05:24

      This sounds a good idea to me really. Once Andy has built up some healing gear he shouldn't be too bad at healing. Also i'm sure we have enough gold between us to pay for him to respec healer and back again whenever we do runs that he needs to be a healer on.

      • Andy: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

        Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
        Created: 2009-01-09 12:15:27

        To be honest I'm not /too/ bothered about the monetary cost for respeccing, at the most it's going to be 50 to spec tree and 50 to spec back feral whenever we go Naxx (once a fortnight/month ~ whatever) but the main issue will be buying the new set of craftables, gemming and enchanting them up, buying the badges kit etc. But the cost doesn't bother me because in the end the gear will be mine and it's something else to work towards/spend my cash on. I wouldn't be suggesting it if I didn't mind the cost.
        "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

    • Sara: Re: A Group for Naxx

      Characters: Tesandra[85] Sevelyn[82] Elveria[81] Valediren[80] Eláviel[20]
      Created: 2009-01-09 12:38:22

      I'm more than happy to support you respeccing Andy if you're willing to do that, but overall I guess I'm not feeling the pressure to fill this third healing role as yet. In my head I feel we're still quite a way off Naxx runs, we have a tank still completing his tanking gear, a second tank to finish leveling, gear and give time to practice tanking (and find out if he enjoys it!!), as well as a second healer to gear, and lord knows how many new and upcoming DPS.

      I am excited about going to Naxx, and without wanting to put a dampener on the excitement, there's also quite a lot of people in our guild who have leveled so quickly they need to learn a lot more about how their characters work in instance scenarios, and how instances actually work, let alone raids. That's going to take a bit of time too.

      Also, to be honest, I think that having one of our (not too numerous) tanks be the third healer is the least attractive of our options. Having one of the many (lovely <3) DPS roll a second healing character would be much more helpful, as they are much less likely to be a "we need you or we can't raid" character.

      We do need a third healer of some kind, and as far as I understand it, being one of those three healers will guarantee you a spot on every Naxx run we do. Does that tempt anyone to re-roll and power level a healer? I run training courses ;-)
      "And then there's aggro to worry about."
      "What's 'aggro'?"
      "Well, it's complicated. But loosely translated, it means 'The Priest Dies.'"

      • Peter: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

        Characters: Rittal[85] Mieville[80] Terlan[80] Caltera[67] Dynia[67]
        Created: 2009-01-09 12:53:04 Edited: 2009-01-09 12:53:27

        I've been writing and rewriting a response for the past 45 minutes, and I think this sums up what I was thinking. And I'm not just siding with the booty. I do genuinely think as much as I'm excited about going to Naxx, there are a few 80's that need some gear, and some that will need to learn their own class.

        I didn't really understand what being an afflock was until we started doing heroics. Now I feel I understand what it's about, but for some reason I'm still not at the top of the DPS chart although I should be with my gear. I need to understand why and how to fix it.

        I want to experience Naxx too, but I want everyone to be ready, otherwise it wont be a fun experience. It'll be frustrating and angering.

        For example, a simple one from last night is that there was Combat Looting. People will need to learn that it's not done in raids, now I know we were over powered, and I know we could solve it by Master Looter, but it's just one thing amongst other stuff that you need to know before doing hard 10 man stuff.

        P.
        "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams

        • Sara: Re: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

          Characters: Tesandra[85] Sevelyn[82] Elveria[81] Valediren[80] Eláviel[20]
          Created: 2009-01-09 13:05:53

          I'm not sure I like being referred to as booty! That was aimed at me wasn't it... it just reminds me of Goblins now :-s
          "And then there's aggro to worry about."
          "What's 'aggro'?"
          "Well, it's complicated. But loosely translated, it means 'The Priest Dies.'"

      • Andy: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

        Characters: Marlen[85] Egeria[81] Davarnon[80] Lyia[61] Krafla[34]
        Created: 2009-01-09 13:14:50

        The main thing I was thinking is that whilst everyone else is gearing/learning their class there'd be enough time for me to amass a pile of healing gear equivalent to my current level of tanking gear just so that when we are ready to try a first run we'll actually be able to as opposed to having to wait for however long until we got a third healer.

        Naturally I'd much rather see someone become a dedicated healer as opposed to (what I kinda see as a hotfix solution), but I guess I'm just looking too far ahead.

        ~~

        I think the main thing that prompted me to post this and to consider gearing to heal was running Kara last night. The first time I ran Kara was fun because it was designed for you to be a level 70, I'm not going to regurgitate why I find progression fun, that's been done many times before, but last night I didn't particularly enjoy it. I didn't enjoy the fact that there was little organisation, that we could run around and do whatever we wanted with little consequences. Sure we cleared Kara, but to what end? We got to see the place which was nice but it just lacked the 'epic' that it had @ 70. This is why I may seem somewhat desperate to get into Naxx. It's one thing seeing the content but it's a completely different kettle of fish seeing the content /as it was meant to be seen/. I just don't want to waste the opportunity we have to do this, but sure I'm willing wait, but I'd be much happier waiting knowing there was the light at the end of the tunnel. :D
        "My interest in what you're talking about is low to moderate" -- Vork

        • Mike: Re: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

          Created: 2009-01-09 13:41:08

          I completely understand what you mean about Kara; it was my first time in
          there, and it was a lot of fun, and I enjoyed seeing the instance.
          However, it certainly wasn't a challenge.

          The danger there is that it could lead us into a false sense of
          security; I know that I for one have a lot of work to do before I'm
          capable of healing heroics as the only healer, let alone setting foot in
          Naxx.

          Most of my gear needs to be replaced, and I need to get back into
          practice on instance healing. This means I need to:

          a) Run instances with you lot for gear (probably as a boomkin)
          b) Start healing instances. Maybe non-heroics, with the next batch to
          hit Northrend.
          c) Carry on questing to be able to afford the above!

          That's a lot of time, and I'm often away at weekends, so it's going to
          be a good while before I'm ready for Naxx, even if I am now level 80.

          Having said that, I do really want to see it, and get to the stage where
          we're running it regularly -- T7 ftw!

          --
          Mike

      • Peter: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

        Characters: Rittal[85] Mieville[80] Terlan[80] Caltera[67] Dynia[67]
        Created: 2009-01-09 13:41:25

        I will agree that Karazhan was interesting to me because I got to see something that I'd never seen, however it wasn't a lot of fun. I felt the same about the last raid we did, in fact I didn't even find the instance interesting on that one.

        We do have an opportunity as you say Andy, but we're essentially talking until the next expansion pack which will be 18 months away. Yes Blizzard are going to add content into the game between now and then, but there's plenty of time to get through it all.

        No one is objecting to the idea of you providing a hotfix service, and by all means go and get a tree set for Marlen. However as much as being able to provide the third healer position if needed is great, we need the other players to be of a suitable gear and skill level.

        I would say there's light at the end of the tunnel, but I can't guess the distance away we are from here. We've always known there would be a point some of us hit waiting for people to catch up, I think it's unfair to try and push those who level slower or don't have as good kit to Naxx sooner then they are ready. Or cast a "Oh get a move on" debuff on them.
        "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams

        • Sara: Re: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

          Characters: Tesandra[85] Sevelyn[82] Elveria[81] Valediren[80] Eláviel[20]
          Created: 2009-01-09 13:55:23 Edited: 2009-01-09 13:56:06

          I don't think there is any worry about us getting to see Naxx before its below us. Even when they added new content in BC it's not like the newer guilds weren't running Kara as much as the older ones were when it started.

          I thought the Kara run was an experience, but I think what was missing was the whole wonder aspect. Discovering it for the first time. There was a little too much "ah this is the boss who does x, I remember when he killed me doing y!!" for me to actually get any of my own understanding of the place. And it was so fast! I'd have liked to stop to explore a bit more, I think I managed to get one sentimental screen shot of me in the private boxes of the theatre.

          We're going to have to find our own style of raiding, who arranges the groups and leads the encounters for example, but it's going to take a bit of learning about everyone as a player on top of players learning about their characters.

          Is this much learning supposed to go into a game? ;-)
          "And then there's aggro to worry about."
          "What's 'aggro'?"
          "Well, it's complicated. But loosely translated, it means 'The Priest Dies.'"

      • Lee: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

        Characters: Craylor[85] Cryten[80]
        Created: 2009-01-09 14:15:45

        I am attempting to power level a pally healer but have no idea how to level quickly or do healing at all so if anyone can tell me how to get him up to 80 in the quickest way that would be good. Also with regard to that i got him to 30 last night so he now has a mount which will hopefully make things quicker.

        • Sara: Re: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

          Characters: Tesandra[85] Sevelyn[82] Elveria[81] Valediren[80] Eláviel[20]
          Created: 2009-01-09 14:18:14

          I'll help you in any way I can Lee. Go and round up some dungeon quests and I'll run you through them :-)
          "And then there's aggro to worry about."
          "What's 'aggro'?"
          "Well, it's complicated. But loosely translated, it means 'The Priest Dies.'"

        • Lee: Re: Re: Re: A Group for Naxx

          Characters: Craylor[85] Cryten[80]
          Created: 2009-01-09 14:19:41

          I will go and see what i can find.